What inspired you to get into acting?
I had always assumed that everybody wanted to be an actor. It was only as I got older that I realized that people want to do all kinds of different jobs. I guess when I was young I was quite sickly and had very bad asthma. My kind of window into the world was movies and television, but especially movies. My exposure to most jobs was through how they were represented or presented in movies.
As I aged and matured, I started to realize that all these other jobs were available in the world. Maybe I wanted to do them, maybe I didn't. If I did want to do them, then the best way to do them would be as an actor in a movie. You're getting paid more to pretend to be a soldier, or a fireman, or an ambulance driver, or whatever other job that you're not qualified to do. Plus you don't actually have to be in any danger. So that's kind of the way it worked for me. It wasn't so much that I was inspired to be one. I just always felt like I already was one, and I was just waiting for the world to catch up.
The last I saw Xander fell to the ground due to being caught with Gwen. Gwen actually seems helpful in reuniting Xarah, why do you think this is the case?
I think that Xander and Gwen, despite recent events and despite what Gwen did to Sarah, they're always going to have a connection.
This is primarily due to the circumstances of their romance. When Xander and Gwen got together, they started as kind of bickering friends/family of Jack. They were kind of forced into close quarters together, and they didn't necessarily like that. When you have two attractive kids trapped in a house together, things are going to happen.
To be fair, Xander did quite, relatively selflessly attempt to help Gwen when she was dealing with the whole Dr. Snyder situation. Even though he was complicating things, he didn't make life any easier for Gwen through trying to help. Though he did try to help out of whatever goodness he has in his tiny heart. I imagine she couldn't help but retain some of that when she sees it as her turn to help him. When she sees him in desperate straits, she can't help it; she feels obligated to try to help.
Plus they're both aware that there are still romantic feelings underneath all of the pain and resentment. The pain on Gwen's part is the way Xander has treated her, and the pain on Xander's part is the way Gwen treated Sarah. However in his heart of hearts, deep down, Xander has to know, and it would be hypocritical of him to not recognize this; in the same way that he often uses love as an excuse for the bad things that he does, Gwen has that excuse too. She did the terrible thing that she did to Sarah because she didn't want to lose Xander. As evil as that kind of is; it's something that I think Xander would be able to relate to on a very, very, very fundamental level. Even though he hates her for what she did, he can't help but feel strongly that he might have done a similar thing in the same situation.
So they just have that bond of their core similarity. It's not that strange that Gwen would not only seek to help Xander out of her sense of wanting to get him back, but she'd also seek to help Xander, as a way of rectifying the bad thing that she did. Maybe if she can get Xander to reconcile with Sarah, even though that's not really what she wants, she's thinking "if he's happy, maybe he'll start to forgive me for what I did before and maybe even Sarah will not hate me as much." That level of insecurity that Gwen has is very relatable for Xander as well. I think that deep down, as much as she wants Xander back; a part of her just wants to not have everybody hate her all the time. This would be one way to maybe achieve that, but things never work out the way that we want them to in Salem.
Is it fair to say Xander is his own worst enemy?
Oh, absolutely. I mean, look at his real enemies, the people that he holds up as the bad people in his life. I mean, it's Eric, the nice guy. He is a bit self-righteous, but he's not a bad person generally. There's Brady, again has his issues, but he's not seeking to do anybody harm. I mean, the closest thing he has to a real enemy is Kristen. Though then again, they're quite similar people and they're very often put into circumstances where it makes sense for them to work things out and work together. I'm pretty sure I've sworn vengeance against Orpheus a few times and never even begun the process of getting revenge.
I think when it comes down to it, the person that causes Xander the most problems is Xander. Things get a little bit tough for him. He's struggling for money or whatever it is. Instead of asking for help from people that probably would help him, he would rather do something shameful and illegal. This speaks to the weakness of his moral character, which is a very core trait of his.
What do you most like about playing Xander?
Well, exactly what I just described, honestly. It's very fun to play somebody who is so morally unpredictable. Ethically unpredictable might be another way to put it. But someone who is capable of doing good things for good reasons, is capable of selflessness, can be heroic under the right circumstances. However this is also someone who, when left to his own devices, and when he is left to think about things for a little bit too long, tends to make poor decisions. These decisions are made out of fear, insecurity and greed.
Also, just his constant need to try to be something that he isn't. To try to be a type of person that he isn't. Whereas if he could just accept who he is a bit more; that he isn't a respectable member of the community, then maybe he could take some of the steps that would be required to become one, and actually earn the respect that he's so utterly craving from everyone around him.
Do you have a favorite scene or storyline you filmed?
I've done a lot at this point. It's hard to bring it down to a single favorite. There are ones that are very funny. I remember thinking that all the stuff where he kidnapped, this is much earlier. When he kidnapped Nicole and took her off to this Greek island and kept her in a cage. That was fun because I just felt a very strong desire to play it all as comedy. I didn't think at that point that Xander really cared about murdering Nicole or hurting her. He just more enjoyed a specific kind of torture, and obviously it was terrible what he did. It was a really terrible thing to do to somebody to kidnap them along with their child, and do all of that stuff. However, by the standards of soap opera villain and by the standards that Xander had already set: holding the town to ransom, almost murdering Teresa in revenge for her false accusation that sent him to prison, the almost killing Eric and Nicole in the pizza oven situation, all those things. This seemed like a lighter, fun way to have a villain.
I really enjoyed all of that. It was the first time I really felt that I could just make him funny and a little bit dangerous at the same time. This started to color everything moving forward and how I would always approach him. I've always wanted Xander to at least be enjoying himself or be having fun, unless of course the script called for him to be in pain or misery, but even then, I wanted it to be a little bit fun.
Did you enjoy being the clown kidnapper?
I enjoyed the storyline and particularly the scenes with Stacy and Judy who play Susan, and Bonnie. I didn't enjoy the physical reality of doing those scenes in the mask. The mask was uncomfortable. It sounds like such a prissy "oh. I'm a delicate actor" thing to say, but it was pretty horrible. It had small eye holes, which we attempted to fix, and a small mouth hole, which we also tried to fix a little bit. It was still uncomfortable. The main thing was there were just tiny holes in the ears, and so whenever you spoke inside the mask, it would reverberate inside the mask very loud. I'm loud anyway. When I was playing the clown, I was supposed to be all angry and putting on this voice. All of the time I was screaming, and we don't do a lot of rehearsal. I tend to save my screaming and my yelling for the real takes.
I don't necessarily do it in rehearsal. I'll warn the microphone people, I'll say "Hey, I'm probably going to get loud." I'd rather everybody be surprised, including myself when I do it. The first time I had to do something like that with the mask on, my ears were literally ringing afterwards like a cartoon. I was like, oh god. You still got to finish the scene and not mess it up. Also it's just hard to see. You can't see, you have no peripheral vision. You're looking through two tiny holes, so you can't see where your feet are.
One of the first things I had to do was carry Stacy in as Susan and lay her down on these bags of manure. I'm a relatively strong guy and Stacy's very fit and trim, and not a heavy person. As a human, you don't want to drop them. It's just very awkward to walk in feeling around with my feet where the manure bag is and then gently place her down. I just carry onto the scene where I'm supposed to go over. I begin making a phone call, or just stare off into the distance wherever it is. I hear all the crew just laughing and I have no idea what the laughing about. I hear all the laughs. I'm like, "Oh God, what did Stacy do?" I turn and look and she was upside down on the floor with half a manure bag in her lap, because I put her down in the wrong place that I couldn't see.
So things like that, it was still fun, but not my preference. I think generally Xander should avoid masks as much as possible between what happened to Sarah and all of Kristen's shenanigans, and the Luchador mask that he wore which was Erotico. I think he needs a little break from masks for a while.
Do you check what fans are saying about the show on social media or other websites?
Early on, I used to check a lot when I was first on the show. I was just trying to work out what I was doing on the show itself. The people, the bosses at the show don't necessarily give you feedback in terms of how well you're doing or whatever. They're not going to tell you, you're doing badly, you'll just get fired. It's usually how it works. You're just not invited back to work. That's certainly happened to me there, at least once. Early on, it was useful to just see how the character was landing on people. Obviously social media is a particular portion of the audience. It's not the whole audience, and not everybody that watches Days Of Our Lives expresses themselves the way people online choose to express themselves. It was still very instructive.
Back then, I needed it. It's not like when you go to work on Days Of Our Lives they hand you this big Bible, which would be full of the 65 years of history from back when the show was on the radio. You have no idea what's going on. So you're forced onto Wikipedia and all the different online resources to work out, well, who's this character? Who's that person? Why did they relate to Xander? How did they relate to Xander? All of that stuff. Very often the easiest way to do that is to go on the forums because it's one thing to read a dry synopsis of what happened on the show 10/20/30 years ago. It's another thing to read how that actually landed on the audience and how it was perceived. That's a lot more accurate generally in terms of its utility to me as an actor. "Okay, that's what they were going for." That's how it felt. Try to make it feel like that or whatever.
Now I don't bother unless I'm tagged on Twitter, unless somebody explicitly wants me to see it, I won't see it. Occasionally, because they don't tell us when we're airing, and I like to do a little theme tune or whatever on Days that I air, just as a fun way to draw attention to that day, I guess. I'll hit the Days hashtag on Twitter just to see very quickly if Xander is on today or not. People will be talking about how much they like or hate Xander and that's fine. I'll say, "Oh okay, I must be on today." Then I'll start working out what my theme tune should be.
That's about it for the most part. As an actor, it's very important to not take good reviews too seriously and not take bad reviews too seriously. Good reviews are nice, bad reviews suck, but neither of them should be the "be all and end all" of how you feel about your work. That's especially true when it comes to audience members. I've tried and have now managed to divorce myself from that. I just concentrate on what I should be doing, as opposed to what everybody thinks about it.
Have there been any plot twists that particularly surprised you?
I mean a bunch. I don't know if you call it a plot twist, but when we did the time jump. At the time I thought it was a really fun idea, primarily because it hadn't been done before. I liked the idea of jumping ahead and then filling things in the flashbacks and all that. I thought there was a fun way to do twists and turns. Most of that was just so unexpected. I just was not expecting when I came back onto the show on contract to have Xander fall head over heels in love with some girl he barely knew. Then raise the child of his least favorite person in Salem, Eric Brady, all while in this very chaste, borderline platonic couple that he was having with Sarah. They weren't in love and they weren't being intimate, but he was just her really good buddy who was pretending to be the father of a child. Just all that stuff was just very surprising and given whom I thought Xander had been and was going to continue to be.
That was all part of the process of trying to make him more generally appealing to the Day's audience. I know that he certainly lost some fans that preferred him just as a villain. However, I clearly gained a lot of interest from the kinds of viewers who just refused to root for pure villains. There are certain types of audience members that just the baddies are baddies and we hate them. The goodies are goodies and we love them, and they just don't want any complication in that area. It's been nice to slowly, over the years win more and more of them over; just by revealing little vulnerabilities, little softness and the nicer parts of Xander. That twist, that turn with him pretending to be Mickey's father, essentially, Rachel's father, but back then Mickey, was the beginning of all that. I guess that would be the major one.
If you had the choice of a supernatural storyline for your character, what storyline would you choose?
Ooh, yeah, I've never really gotten to do any of this. He's just been on the edge of a lot of that, hasn't he? I've never actually got to properly do supernatural storylines. I always bring this up whenever people ask about a storyline for me, what I would like, I would love for them to dig into Xander's parents. I would like them to either be characters on the show or at least have some mystery about them be revealed that needs to be investigated where we could learn a bit more about Xander and his past. To me it seems like that could be a good opportunity to bring in some kind of supernatural element.
Obviously at some point, John Aniston's passing will have to be addressed by the show and they'll have to find a way to elegantly move Victor into a position in the story where obviously he's not featured on screen anymore. Somewhere in there might be some room to do something. Xander's father is supposed to be Victor's brother, although he's never been on-screen. So you can maybe do some stuff where he comes back from the dead or is it him or is it a Dr. Rolf mask or a reanimated corpse or any number of the options that are already established or even something new. Maybe he is a werewolf. I don't know. That would explain Xander's mood swings, if his dad was a werewolf.
How do you get into character?
Well, at this point I've been doing Xander long enough that it's more about getting out of character. It's more about being Paul, remembering how to be Paul and not just being Xander all the time. Mostly for me, these days, I just like to understand where Xander is in the current main thrust of the show. Sometimes you're on the show, but you're not the featured storyline, you're more of a supporting storyline. It is often hard to tell, because even when you're supporting, you can be doing dozens of pages of dialogue a day. It's about whether you're supporting a storyline or driving a storyline?
So for me, this isn't necessarily about getting into character, it's more of a craft thing of just finding the tone and energy that is appropriate for that day's episode, and generally that means reading the entire script, reading other people's scenes and just seeing how you fit into everything. I only really started doing that a few years ago where I'd read whole scripts and really pay attention to stuff that I wasn't a part of, just because I wanted my stuff in the show to feel more cohesive. I was part of the same television program as everybody else, instead of just selfishly doing my thing.
When it comes to Xander, I always try to remember that he's not as dumb as everybody else thinks he is, but he's not as smart as he thinks he is. So if I can just walk that line between those two areas, that tends to help me in the scenes. I want him to be just smart enough to notice things and catch things that a smart person should notice, but not always smart enough to put them all together. This usually gives me a lot to play with in a scene where you can just see me thinking or see me reacting to stuff, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he's got a plan.
Do you remember a scene on Days that was particularly challenging to film?
I'll give two examples. Sometimes it's the ones that I just don't understand, I find them challenging. Sometimes you'll get a script, and it just feels like Xander's walking in out of nowhere. It doesn't relate to a previous episode, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything else I've been doing, and I'm just a bit confused. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be comedy or if it's supposed to be drama from the way it's written. Sometimes you can just be a bit lost.
There was a really fun scene. I didn't think it was a fun scene on the page, but it ended up being a very fun scene. Brandon, Victoria and Robert Scott Wilson wrestle Dostoevsky's crime and punishment off of me, because the book that I'm holding has some secret code in it or something to do with Dr. Rolf or whatever it was that they were up to at the time. For me as an actor receiving the script, I'm like, "What? Never seen Xander read a book before?" He's very rarely just wandering through the house. Usually he's off doing something. So I was just like, "Well, what is this? Why am I being made to look so dumb and whatever?"
It was just one of those things where I just grumbled about it. I just couldn't understand how to do it and what it was supposed to be until we were all on set. It played very funny. It was like, the more offended and weirded out Xander is by the whole thing, which was how I felt anyway, the funnier it got. It was the only thing that I've ever had to do multiple, multiple takes of, because the other cast members kept breaking, they're all laughing. So that was really fun. That one sticks out, especially because it was surprising. I didn't want it. I didn't think it was going to work, and I didn't think it was funny on the page. it ended up being the funniest thing I've done on the show. So that was a good one where it taught me to just shut up and do it.
The first time I was really like, okay, let's see if these people like my acting or not, was very early on. Well, not very, but I'd been on the show a couple of months and it was the first time Xander really got torn down by Uncle Victor. Just treated like garbage and kind of dismissed. Even though Victor had a good point because he always does, Xander just wasn't ready to hear it. I go storming out at the Kiriakis Mansion, do this big silent scream, I'd ahh, but not making any noise then. I can't vent just yet, because Victor's right there. I ran to the park, kicked over a bin, and tossed a chair.
It was the first time having to do something really huge, really emotional on the show. This is seven or eight years ago now, but already the show was moving super fast. We get your blocking rehearsal and a take and that's it, unless it's a mistake. So I knew I had to nail it. If I didn't nail it, but I did finish the scene, it was going to go on television and I would be disappointed in my performance. So I just had to nail it.
I rehearsed it a lot and just thought through everything that I wanted to get out. During the blocking, I just talked through it and just showed where I was going to stand. Then I'll probably do this, and I'll probably do that. I looked at, I think it was Harry back then who was on the boom. I looked, him just went, "By the way, I'm going to be very, very loud." He just smiled and went, "Okay." So I left, walked back in and I just went WOAHHH, bellowing my head off, I was loud as I could go and just escalating, and escalating, and escalating, kicking the thing over. I was just breathing, raging at the end of it. They called cut and there was silence in the studio. Then people started clapping, and I had not gotten that before.
The AD, the next day, Stuart came up to me and just said, "I just want to tell you buddy, that you blew the doors up this, you blew the roof off this place yesterday." He was all excited about it. It was the first time that I started to feel everybody's shift and be like, wow, this kid's good. He'd been competent until now, but oh, look at that, that was exciting, and it woke everybody up kind of thing. It was challenging in the sense of it was my first time doing something like that on that show. I'd done scenes like that in my career previously, but not with one take, just get it done kind of thing.
So to do it, to be confident enough and to just relax enough to let myself go crazy, that was a real stepping stone. There was me on the show before that moment, and me on the show after that moment. After that moment, I think everything about what I was doing improved, especially just in the sense that the show liked what I was doing. Then less than a month later I was fired. So it just goes to show. It all worked out in the end.
How do you memorize so much dialogue on a soap?
I actually really enjoy learning my lines now. It used to be a chore and now I find it a satisfying little task to do. I've got my little system that I learned that I taught myself a very, very long time ago.
Very quick story: I'd been cast as John Proctor, the lead in the play, the Crucible in the school play that year. I must have been 15 or 16. I was playing the lead, and it's a bunch of lines. Since I'm a terrible procrastinator and a generally lazy person, I hadn't actually sat down and learned the lines yet. There was a bunch of lines that I knew just from doing the rehearsals at school. There were definitely chunks of it that I just had not committed to memory yet. So the day of, and even in dress rehearsal, I knew that I didn't know all the lines. On the day of the first performance of it, I remember just being absolutely terrified and sitting in my bedroom, I lived walking distance from the school and I was just sitting in my bedroom looking down the hill at the school. I was just terrified I was going to have to walk down the hill and do this play. I didn't know my words.
So for an hour and a half I just sat there. I went through every scene I wrote, and I would say every line 10 times out loud. I'd read it 10 times looking at it, then I'd look away and then say it from memory 10 times and then I'd move onto the next line. I'd do that until I could do the whole page. At this point, I'd do the whole page 10 times perfectly. So I had the whole scene, and I'd do the whole scene 10 times perfectly. If I got anything wrong, I would have to go back and start again until I had 10 in a row perfect. So I might do it nine times perfectly, and then the 10th one, get it wrong. I go back and go one, do all the repetitions, just force myself, just like I would lift weights or doing any kind of technical operation, wrote repetition. It worked. I knew the lines.
With seconds to spare, I walked down the hill and it worked so well that I was so relaxed that on the second day, the second performance I did, I was so relaxed, I got a line wrong, just because I wasn't thinking. There's a famous bit in The Crucible where the mean judge is saying, "John Proctor, did you see the devil?" and he's supposed to say, "Yes." because he's supposed to sacrifice himself to save the girl essentially. I was just off in the moment and just thinking about my own things and just kind of like, I don't know what I was doing, but I said, "No." So instead of saying yes, I said, "No." Then God bless him, Philip, who was playing judge, I remember it all now, Judge Stanford, Philip looked to me and his face was beat red. He just went red. He just said "John Proctor, did you see the devil?" Then I was like, "Yes." I got it right.
I literally had people coming up to me after the show because there were kids in our school studying The Crucible. That's why we were doing the play, coming up saying, "Oh that was so good. That change you guys made that little moment of doubt that he had. It was almost like Jesus on the cross, one last chance that to get out of it, but then he changed his mind." I was like, "Yeah yeah, we decided to do that. That was a choice." However, it was just me being an idiot.
So over the years; it was my process for learning anything I did, it was like 10 times, 10 times, 10 times, 10 times, 10 times. By the time I was on Days, I mean that is an enormous amount of material if you're doing between five and eight episodes a week sometimes, it is a lot of stuff to say 10 times, 10 times, 10 times. I got to the point where I was over learning it. I'd learn it too much and just become a little bit robotic. I'd find it in auditions for other things where I'd memorized it so much that I'd accidentally memorized a way of saying things, not just what I should say. When the director of the casting director would say, "Can you try it this way?" I'd be like, "Yeah, sure." Then I'd go to do it and my body would just start doing what I'd rehearsed, which is bad.
So over the years of being at Days, and getting confident with the feeling that I have inside when I know, I know my lines, as soon as I feel that way now I stop memorizing. There's no point in doing it on top, to cement it in. It doesn't help. In fact, at a certain point becomes a detriment. You want to be thinking in the scene. You don't want to be trying to remember all the time. Although it doesn't hurt sometimes to be actively thinking, and listening and hoping that whatever somebody says will remind you of your line because it makes you more alive in the scene.
So now I only need to do things three times. I'll say each line three times, and I'll memorize each line three times, each page, each scene three times perfect. It's good, it's in there, I'll get to say it again before we shoot and typically that's enough. That was a long answer. It's one of the things that other actors are most terrified about doing soap opera is how do you learn all those lines? I just always say that when you have to, you can, so you'll find a way.
Are you inspired by any actors?
I mean, yeah. There's a bunch of actors at work that I find super inspiring. I've talked at length about John Aniston recently. I always found him a very, I mean, maybe inspiring is the wrong word, but just as a role model, just as someone, just to see how someone can be so completely in command of what they do. I would love to get to that kind of security in my own work that he had. When I was a young actor, there were actors that I was obsessed with, I loved Viggo Mortensen and Denzel Washington. I just don't know where to start. None of them have let me down. They're all still doing amazing work and interesting movies, interesting plays, and still doing the kind of work that I would hope to be able to do one day.
Then there are actors like Bryan Cranston, who I've seen on Broadway, I've seen him in movies, I've seen him in Breaking Bad and Malcolm in the Middle obviously, but he also did soaps before he did any of that. All of his great success really came in his late career or later career, not even his late career, his middle aged career. That can't help but inspire me. It's still all there for the taking. Do you know what I mean? There are still so many opportunities hopefully ahead for me to really show what I can do.
What have been some of your favorite fan events that you've appeared at?
I remember the first time I did... I mean, it's always lovely to meet the fans. It sounds like such a cliche, but it really is always lovely to meet the fans, especially in that kind of controlled environment because it's not doing a play where at the end of each performance everybody starts clapping, hopefully. With what we do, very often we'll finish a scene, a big emotional scene, and there'll be tears coming down my scene partner's face or whatever. It's just me holding them and getting them back to normal life again while the crew is just picking their noses and moving onto the next scene. We do not get a lot of feedback because it's moving fast. We're just rolling along. So to actually get to hang out with the people that love the show, that are the reason the show exists, that care about the show in a way and to a degree that even many of the people that work on the show cannot fathom, is always lovely, but it's also super instructive.
I know it's been nice for Emily O'Brien who plays Gwen to get to interact with the fans because as I was saying earlier, if you just go off of people communicating on social media, the kind of people that communicate on social media exclusively, and the way they choose to communicate on social media often isn't the kind of thing that an actor wants to read, see, or hear. In real life, people are lovely and they totally understand the difference between the character and the actress and all of that. For her to now be getting some lovely reciprocity from the audience, because very few people on Days work as hard as Emily does. She's really, really conscientious, wonderful professional actress and with a very hard job with that character. So I just love it when I do fan events with her now, or the Zoom events, or whatever it is, just to see the outpouring of love that she gets because she deserves it.
That's how I felt early on as well. When you play a villain, the relationship to the audience is a bit odd. When I first started doing these things, you're just not sure how people are going to react to seeing you. They very quickly they get the hang of you being actually kind of a sweet actor person and not a nasty diamond smuggling criminal. The number of times that I've had people at fan event say, "Well, I didn't like you on the show, but now I like you as you, I like you on the show now." They just need to know that you're not really a baddie, and now they're okay with you being a baddie.
You might have specific things. So I will say they're always great. The one that really sticks out was the first time I did the Samantha's Friends event because on the final day they do a big auction for the Guide Dogs, the Guide Dog charity that's associated with that event. That was really wonderful because it was genuinely moving to see the different people advocate for the Guide Dog charity itself and the people whose lives had been positively affected by it. I couldn't help but be emotional seeing it all. To jump up on stage and try to raise money and inspire people to give money to the charity was a lot of fun. It was also kind of rewarding to basically be silly for a good cause. That one really sticks out.
What has been your favorite role to play throughout your career?
I mean, Xander now for sure. I love him. I love playing Xander, I'm very lucky to have a role like that. Somebody that's funny, dangerous, sexy, and silly. He can be so many different things with so many different characters on the show. It's a wonderful showcase for me, and I hope that continues. I hope they keep giving me unexpected things to do with ever more various scene partners, very lucky with all that.
Then outside of Days, I mean, look, it's very hard to top being the lead on a production, even if the production itself doesn't turn out quite the way you wanted it to. However, the great pleasure of my acting career so far was right in that period where I did Spartacus and Hercules kind of within the same 12 months. A lot happened in my life that year, so it's all a bit of a blur. The year span that contained me shooting Spartacus and shooting Hercules, that was a really incredible time. Just getting to play Hercules to the degree that that's really even a character, it's such an icon. It's been done in so many different ways, but just the responsibility and the pressure and the pleasure of being the lead on a big project like that with lots of famous actors and being paid a good amount of money and getting to travel all over the world to make it, is really, really, really hard to beat. That was fantastic and obviously I'd love to do something like that again.
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